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« Répondre #30 le: 16 Janvier 2013 à 12:23:27 »

Ahha-ha )))) OK, let 'Les Verts' win Coupe de la Ligue, and then immediately to plant a green)) garden. Very local !

By the way, I have to say, that to compare Man City, PSG and Anji - now is a modern wave in russian football forums. And I feel tired to struggle against.
Some people are rather lack-brained : they have very short memory, and for them what seems 'bad' according to PSG, Manchester City and Anji Makhatchkala ('easy money', 'nouveau riches', 'oil-dollars', 'cheikh clubs'...) - seems normal for Chelsea, for example.
Wrong way... as usual. Most people doesn't even think that a lot of 'top-clubs' live on non-sportive money for 50-60 years :
- Real Madrid - royal guarantees and unlimited credits ;
- Barcelone - la grande caisse des socios ;
- Juventus - FIAT + la caisse noire ;
- Milan - Mediolanum et plus de Berlusconi ;
- aussi Inter, Man United (credits pour Glazer)........
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« Répondre #31 le: 16 Janvier 2013 à 16:26:14 »

the "Les verts" mentioned in the "maxifoot" article are not the st-etienne team, but a political formation. Initially ecological, they (quickly) moved to a more traditional socialist party. The "green" part of their program is not different from the socialists.

As for the important part: I think there are 4 differences between City, PSG, Anji (tomorrow Monaco?) and the "older glories" that you quote (Real, Liverpool, Juve...) :

1) Comments: Now everything is more known. The transfer prices of every single D2 player is known, and is in M€, while by the pasts most transfers were confidential, then less commented. And thanks (?) to internet, it is commented by everyone. Including (and mostly) jerks, while by the past only "elites" were allowed to comment... [Note that it was already the case with Chelsea, which created a lots of comments at that time. Now completely forgotten, you are right...]

2) Players: Initially, "Rich" clubs were the clubs with a bigger palmares (so more fans, more revenues). When Platini went to Juventus, Beckham to Real or most D1/L1 players to Arsenal, it could be seen as a "sportive choice". Of course the player multiplied its salary by 4 or 5 doing so, but who cared? But when Tevez, Eto'o or Ibrahimovic leave their "prestigious" clubs for these "less known" or "forgotten" new-teams, this "seems" only a monetary reason. This has been particularly highlighted for City, PSG and Anji because in the few years before they were bought, a lot of Arabic or American clubs bought (or tried to) good "mercenary" players... But, past the glory of playing for a well-known formation, players need some challenges. When C.Ronaldo leaves MU to Real, he leaves everything he had with no certainty of success in another team (a gamble Messi is not challenger enough to attempt). Thing is: now we comment these choices. When Beckham goes to the US, Eto'o to Russia or Drogba to China, they are not only pre-retirering, they are improving the championship in which they are going. Just as Pelé or Beckhenbauer did by the past, but no one remember that. When Ibrahimovic signs to Paris, or Beckham to LAG or Eto'o to Anzi, he signs up for the same challenge Pelé went for: improving football. [This is slightly different for Man.City or Malaga]

3) Team: The speed used to build these teams (in a few months) is way higher than the time needed for Real or MU to build themselves (through decades). Note that when Real build their "galactic team" in the late 90s, they did it very fast too, and lots of complains occurred at that time. This point is not really different from point 1, because a team which builds quickly is more visible than a team who builds through years.

4) Owners: Last but not least, the way these "new" clubs are built is way different than for the others: you noticed it, and it has been a well-known fact for the last 20 years, clubs build their teams "at credit": when Liverpool spend millions to build a competitive team and win nothing, they collapse. A risk which does not exist in spain, when Real or Barca have huge debts and no one cares. Now the difference between these teams and City, PSG, Anzi (by the past, Milan as well) is that if they don't win, they loose their investment. For PSG, it is different: if QSI invests and PSG don't win, QSI will just pay the bill, and keep investing. There is no "risk" in investing here, while for MU, Arsenal or Juve, people could say "They invested, and now it's paying off: they were right", while for Liverpool they said "They invested, they lost. Good try though". For PSG or Anzi, they know the only thing they will be able to say is "They invested, they won. No gamble here".
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« Répondre #32 le: 21 Janvier 2013 à 08:05:27 »

I start by apologizing for my answer in English as good as yours.
For read it, that's ok, but to express myself correctly, it will be more complicated.

I just want to add something about the Real Madrid:
Citation de: koteg
- Real Madrid - royal guarantees and unlimited credits
It's true, and, you could also say, in the pass, Franco has also offer this guarantees.

The website "Les Cahiers du Football" had written a good paper about this subject.
Franco was killing suporters's Barcelona...etc...etc...
"asi gana al Madrid............"
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« Répondre #33 le: 27 Mars 2013 à 15:20:05 »

l'Italie (en SERIE B) va essayer une autre méthode pour régulariser les problèmes de salaires (qui ont un impact sur la santé financière des équipes) : le salary cap.

http://www.sportune.fr/sport-business/quand-le-football-italien-limite-les-salaires-89322

A voir dans 2 ou 3 ans si cela a un impact sur la santé financière des clubs, l'attractivité sportive, le niveau des clubs, ...
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« Répondre #34 le: 22 Janvier 2014 à 18:52:04 »

I start by apologizing for my answer in English as good as yours.
I think it is not too necessary for the discussion between non-English-speaking people.

I just want to add something about the Real Madrid:
Citation de: koteg
- Real Madrid - royal guarantees and unlimited credits

It's true, ...
I pointed Real as ONE OF SEVERAL financial monsters.

My main idea - it is a reflective reaction to some strange and unjust comments (and provocative language), like KH Rummenigge does.
And does it not at the first time.

As for the important part: I think there are 4 differences between City, PSG, Anji (tomorrow Monaco?) and the "older glories" that you quote (Real, Liverpool, Juve...) :

"Older glories" LIST is a bit longer )))

but for a FC Bayern administrator there is JUST ONE EVIL : Paris Saint-Germain.

Not Chelsea (Abramovitch), not the same rich Man United (Glazer), not Man City, not Milan, Juve, Inter or Real Madrid or Zenith St-Petersbourg - ONLY PARIS  Oui oui

http://www.goal.com/en/news/15/germany/2014/01/22/4561405/only-bayern-can-afford-success-rummenigge-slams-psg-spending?ICID=HP_TS_1

This man has acquired the mania of persecution. (Delusions of grandeur Kalle has for a very long tome.)

In my opinion, Karl-Heinz Rummenigge is simply a hypocrite, a sinker and a provocateur.
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